Hey all: I'm in the market for a new car come this spring and I've started the search. Never owned a BMW but dad's had several for as long as I can remember so I'm very familliar with the marque. I currently drive a Volvo V70R so naturally the prime replacement is an E To me, you just can't beat the practicality of a wagon, and personally I love the shape of the wagon.
We've got two kids so the wagon is not necessarily a must, but as I said above, we love the practicality and the uniqueness. You don't see many of them on the road! Since my Volvo is paid off and I'm not going to be buying until next year until the little one is in a forward facing seat I can afford to watch and wait for my "perfect car" My question is I'm no noob when it comes to cars or maintenance. I do all my own brake work, fluid changes, and am not afraid to tear into the car to put on a new downpipe, sway bars, etc.
I've done my research and seen people who have never had issues and people who are on their fourth. Am I a glutton for punishment? That is a tough call. The good news is that if you buy an E61 it is still likely to be in warranty. The N54 engine also truly is a great engine.
It combines great performance with great fuel economy. On the highway, it is not unheard of get high 20s or for some people even low 30s on long trips. The turbo engine also accelerates quickly and does not have too much lag. The HPFP problem is trouble-some and causes concern. I absolutely love driving the car and would not want to drive another car. My wife has a nice Mercedes E but every time we go out, we take my car as I prefer driving it.
Thankfully they were more of a nuisance than a safety concern. The dealer was also able to fix the problem quickly. However, what has been annoying is that since just after the first anniversary of the car, I have been averaging about 4 months thus far between HPFP and HPFP-related problems. I am hoping the last reprogram fixed it.
The E61 is really an awesome car other than the potential HPFP issue especially if you can get on with the M-sports package. I would say test drive them and see if you like it. Unfortunately there are not many wagons being sold anymore especially if you add AWD to the equation.
In my opinion and experience, the E60 is a bit harder to diy on than my e Sent from my iPhone using BimmerApp. I've driven the car and love it. It's perfect for our needs, especially with the sports pack oh, those seats! More like a "practical 3rd car" rather than a DD.Original Poster. Search My Stuff What's New 3 12 24 Prev of 23 2 With the prices of these cars coming down to almost Mondeo level its got to a point where the E60 and E61 M5 enquiries are coming in on a daily basis.
As such ive decided to throw together a buyers guide with the intention of supplying it with ongoing updates and bits of info for the noob and vet alike.
Hopefully, as with other sites this will become a sticky so that its readily available for the guest PHer. Feel free to add your own points below or PM me so i can add it to the original post.
I obviously won't finish it all in one night so if it looks a bit sparse to begin with the reason is that it'll take time to fill to a useable level. Yes it is shocking, but not at all out of the ordinary for such a highly tuned piece of machinery. The lowest reading you will ever see on the DIS is 7mpg as its programmed as a base reading. My E61 averages Motorway cruisers won't get much better than 23 or 24mpg with a very light foot and good tail wind.
As they live on VPower or similar high octane tipple your running cost per mile will be somewhere around these figures: At 15 mpg you're looking at 44p per mile. Please apply your own variations based on your local fuel cost and driving style. The small fuel tank in these cars will allow you anywhere between and miles between fill ups. Clutches: Also a very common topic and a source of fear for many an owner. The question 'how long do they last? The pump problem caused many premature clutch issues and some catastrohpic failures.
Sadly there were other clutch problems to watch out for. The links below show my own troubles and a positive solution: In order of occurance they detail everything needed to make a warranty claim for an early clutch failure. They also show details of alternative OEM spec parts and the prices thereof. Owners have seen over k of hard driving between clutches and so long as you dont hammer the launch control function i see no reason why a clutch should fail below 60k.
As i said at the beginning the whole 'clutch life' question depends on your driving style and the amount of abuse you give your car. Abuse it like a drag racer and you'll be visiting the dealership on a low loader before you can shout 'What do you mean my warranty is void because i used launch control too much?
The average life of the clutch seems to be 40k to 50k so thats what i'd be pushing for. For your ref it has been known for city cars to only last 20k on a clutch so dont be put off by a car thats had an early refit. Rear Diff: This is pretty strong and not many people have issues. As with some other modern M models this is the solution. The tiny minority that have had problems with the diff have had the complete diff units replaced without argument. Good old fashioned mechanical awareness should alert you to the warning signs associated with mechanical failure.
Things to look out for are; excessively loud whining, rough grinding sounds and clunking a low volume, high pitch whine is normal when decelerating and cruising at motorway speeds, caused by the aggresive diff mechanism so dont panic about that.
Diff bushes do suffer a little over time so keep your ears peeled for the telltale knocks under soft acceleration. Brakes: Like many other performance models the routine servicing of brakes has become a massive cost issue but being a saftey item the brakes really shouldnt be passed over.
Discs should last an owner over 30k, mine saw over 40k before needing replaced. BMW should check the disc thickness at service and MOT time but this often doesnt happen if the dealer is not 'M familiar'. The tolerance levels are very fine on discs and the amount of wear allowed is very small. If your discs have any lip around the edge then the chances are they are already worn out.If you want to throw away your money away that badly, just give it to me!
In fact, I know someone who paid tens of thousands of dollars to replace a blown V10 in his M5. Because I had to. I had no choice. You see, not too long ago, I came across the mythical, the imaginary, the ultra rare E60 M5 that no one believes exists—but it does, because I found it.
I found a unicorn. Regardless of condition, this is an extremely special car. Lots of miles are bad news for these cars because the rod bearings will inevitably need replacement and other expensive repair work may be required. My M5 is not the usual ticking time bomb version of one that most owners are desperately trying to get rid of. Instead, I have a pristine, 42, mile M5 with a glorious six-speed manual transmission.
I had been keeping an eye on M5s for sale for some time, and I know that what I have now is about as hard to come by as a reasonable, well-adjusted human being running for president of the United States.
The reason I bought the car, instead of giving you the money, is the fact that it has a BMW Platinum warranty. KKK: Sir, were you driving in the left lane instead of the right one? BMW even mailed me a warranty booklet and a letter after I transferred the warranty over to me from the previous owner. Besides impending rod bearing failures, E60 M5s are known to have issues with the clutch, throttle actuators, oil pump, electronics failure—the list goes on and on. So, you can imagine why having a warranty on one of these machines is so critical.
But before I get into all the good stuff about the M5, let me first talk about a few of the things that annoy me about the car. When first starting the car up in the morning, it sounds like a lion choking on a buffalo bone.
And the drone goes on forever. Meanwhile, I anxiously wait for the oil temperature to get close to degrees so that I can finally push the M button and unleash all horses.
Once I push the M button, everything is great. Almost every gas station owner in town recognizes me now. Also, dear Mother Nature, please accept my apologies and forgive me for choosing automotive pleasure over any environmental considerations whatsoever on any level. Realizing that I have the warranty helped me get over my anxiety almost instantly afterwards.Buying Guide.
The E60 might not have quite the following of the E39 but the six-pot petrol models are a great buy. BMW E60 5 Series straight-six petrol models. The E60 5 Series was a great car and provided you buy wisely we reckon one of the six-pot petrol-engined machines is a great used buy.
Words: Bob Harper and Andy Everett. Gone was the driver-centric dash, which had remained a fundamental aspect of BMW interior design right up until the demise of the E Instead, the centre console was set straight on in the dash, a vertical wall housing the basic stereo and heater controls. The upper level of the dash has a flowing design, with the instrument cluster melding in to the iDrive screen.
At least the car retained a traditional handbrake and gear selector, as opposed to the electronic parking brake and column mounted affair of the BMW E Beneath the all-new body was a host of new technology and an innovative body-chassis structure, which blended steel and aluminium to keep weight to a minimum. The heavier materials were kept towards the centre of the car, which resulted in a lower polar moment of inertia, helping to improve the handling.
At launch there were two petrol models to choose from — the 2. In the Touring was launched and it was a fair bit more capacious than the E39 version offering a load capacity of between litres. Visually similar to the BMW M5 E60the Sport models featured a new front bumper with wider air intakes, flared side skirts and a new rear bumper with PDC and rear apron.
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The window surrounds were de-chromed, inch double spoke alloys were fitted, as was M Sports suspension, which featured recalibrated dampers and stiffer springs that lowered the car by 15mm. In lateother additional options were introduced, including new colours, interior trim options and digital TV. In earlyBMW introduced the first new models which would join and replace the existing line-up.
As with previous models, the engine was actually a 2. Alloy wheels were standard across the board, as were front, side and head airbags, a rain sensor, auto headlights, CD player, OBC and auto aircon among others. As you progressed up the model range, things like metallic paint, PDC, bigger wheels, advanced air-con and leather could be found on the standard equipment list. There were plenty of options to choose from such as active cruise control, active front seats, bi-xenon headlights, electric rear blinds, sat nav, Logic 7 Professional hi-fi and TV.
In the E60 received its LCI face-lift and as well as the expected changes to lights and bumpers there were further changes to the engine line-up, too. The six-cylinder petrol line-up still consisted of the i, i and i but thanks to the introduction of direct injection outputs were now hp, hp and hp respectively while torque figures had swelled by between seven i and 15lb ft i and i.
Performance incrementally improved but it was in the economy stakes that the LCI cars made big savings, showing gains of around five miles per gallon on the combined cycle. There were three versions of both the i and i, so you need to know which one suits your needs best.
For ultimate reliability of the drivetrain the earlier Mengined machines probably just shade it but so long as you look after a later car these should also be capable of doing big mileages.
Sport models seem to command significantly higher prices than an SE but watch out for Sports with the inch wheels and run-flat tyres.
If you have your heart set on 19s then do make sure you test-drive it first. The standard E60 came on some very sorry looking inch alloys, many of which have now been recycled. The inch alloy wheel is a good compromise and tyres were all run-flats — only the inch wheels avoided this. If you choose to replace the run-flats with standard tyres, be sure to inform your insurance company in writing. The E60 marked another huge step forward for BMW in the fight against rust.
Even a late car should still be rust-free and any arch or other cosmetic rust will be down to serious neglect or repaired accident damage. The E60 had an all-alloy front end and so any accident repairs must have been carried out properly.It had 11 miles on it, the lowest millage vehicle I had ever owned.
And I was happy. Life was good…so far. Six years and 96, miles later, my i has seen twisting North Carolina mountain roads, seemingly endless stretches of interstate I95, and countless trips through the elementary school car lines.
The exterior has been washed and polished countless times by my hands…the black interior relentlessly wiped down and the leather conditioned.
I change my own oil, I rotate my own tires. I do all of my own service and most of my own repairs. Probably not. What I do know is I can share a whole lot of knowledge I have compiled on the car that may help another owner or future purchaser. The exterior of the car has a non-traditional boldness to it, and its low stance and distinctive lines make it look like its ready to run fast on the autobahn.
It is still one of the best looking luxury sedans on the road. The interior is equally as beautiful. I am a person who enjoys minimalism in their automotive interior, and my BMW i has always had an understated elegance to it. The door panels and dashboard have beautiful lines to them that gracefully transition into each other, and all of the controls are well laid out and easy to use.
The seats are extremely comfortable, and the center console has a retractable arm rest that gives plenty of support.
The interior is surprisingly wide and spacious. There is an enormous amount of shoulder room for the front and rear passengers. The trunk is also surprisingly large, with plenty of room for transporting luggage for four adults to the airport. The E60 i is by far one of the greatest riding vehicles I have ever driven. I have had friends and family that own sport luxury vehicles, and they are all blown away at the way the car feels when traveling down a long stretch of road.
The only way I can describe it is… effortlessly connected.Remember Me? BMW Models. E60 5 series reliability. Results 1 to 16 of Thread: E60 5 series reliability. Thread Tools Show Printable Version. Join Date Oct Location N. GA Posts 1, My Cars '98 daily, trucks.
E60 5 series reliability So My old E36 crossed k the other day and it's about time to start looking for another one. I really like the E46 ZHP's, but the i and i have caught my eye. With the big difference in used prices, I want to know is it worth it to upgrade to the 5 series, or is it the kinda car you keep until the warranty goes and then sell it?
Should I stick with a non-FI 3 series? In other words, I don't want to dish out thousands upon thousands of dollars to keep it going. I've read mixed reviews and want to hear from actual owners. Feel free to add mileage, problems you've encountered, etc. I bought my i in It was a lease return CPO with very low mileage. My extended warranty expires this year. So far, the car has been very reliable and has only been in for routine maintenance such as brakes and inspection services.
It has cost me less than my previous car to own, which cost justified me getting a such a car. The only thing that's actually gone wrong on my car has been the audio system.
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I'll just plug my iPod in through the AUX jack or use the radio. The extended warranty CPO apparently does not cover the audio system. You may want to get ZHP E46; if the has problems it is very expensive to repair when you have no warranty. Even if you do the repair yourself the parts are expensive. If you get a i or i you have a better chance of having a more reliable car. And yes sell it, or trade for a newer one when warranty runs out.
Join Date Dec Location St. I've had the SMG shift control unit go out under warranty and a few recall notices for various repairs, but nothing that detracts from the fun I have driving this car.
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I still love it as much as the day I bought it new. If you buy a newer model still in warranty, that will be reflected in the higher price of the car. If you want piece of mind buying a model that's out of warranty, you can always buy an aftermarket maintenance policy.
I view these as cash flow protection policies for those unexpected repairs. Just remember that all of these maintenance programs dictate what the service interval is between oil changes, fluids, etc.
So thats my experience with thenot sure if thats the norm or the exception. I might be able to help you I have an E60 and and E90 both.
I have had the E60 for close to 1 year and it replaced a E34 95 that I had for 10 years. The E60 took some getting used to for me - for one it does not have the visibility of the E34 - none of these do.Original Poster. Search My Stuff What's New 3 12 24 E60 reliability and advice.
Tailgater Original Poster 4, posts 49 months. I'm sorry for these long, tedious threads and I always end up not buying the car at the minute but My wife has a Lexus RX. It was crashed in to, insurance proceedings are closing soon. Car is suffering age related problems, it has donemiles in 14 years. She has had a BMW i before when the kids were small. We need a car now, and the 5 series Touring sounds better than a 3 series. I drive an Audi A6 already so I thought of that but there are only 2.
Is the E60 d good? Which I think is reasonable. F10's with under miles are not common in my budget and I only want to drive a maximum of 20 miles from Watford to see the car It has to be leather, with 2 or less owners, sat navand a full service history ideally BMW but not required If anyone can suggest what model to go for or whether I should avoid the E60?
No Saab sportwagons please already owned and slightly disappointed imho and suggestions to save the money because she needs a car before the end of the summer hopefully.
Thanks everyone all the advice is much appreciated. Are you not limiting your options greatly be only being prepared to travel a 20 mile radius? I don't really understand that bit, but yeah I'd say an E60 D would make a good choice generally, but of course everyone's requirements are different, so only you can decide ultimately. Ok lets make it 40 miles. Im not prepared to drive miles up the country again and drive a shocker.
The d is a great engine but a bit of advice would be to try buy onwards. This came with a newer engine with more power and better efficiency, Lighting and interior were improved massively as well.Everything Broken On My Cheap BMW 5 Series ( E60 / E61)